The Galaxy-class though would be the best for diplomatic or evacuation missions. So load them with all the newer shuttles the Sovereign Carries is the smallest Problem i think. What are the risks associated with transporting during the first trimester of human pregnancy? I think it depends on what sort of missions you want them to engage in. And at the end of the day, the primary purpose of the Galaxy-class was power projection. Looking for more sci-fi discussion subreddits? Thirdly, on screen we've seen the Galaxy Class take on a variety of mission profiles across alternate timelines. But with time and a little effort i agree it should be possible which is why i asked for both ships being refitted to the same tech standard since i wanted only to know which ships frame do you think is better over all if it could be updated to be technologically equally. Let's consider the following missions: (a) Base for a regional trade agreement: Galaxy Class hands down. Then those were supplanted by the aircraft carrier. But think of other points too like personal responsibilities, how comfortable would you live on the ship, would it be more a burden or a blessing to be allowed to take civilians (like your wife and children) with you, what missions would the ship usually be used for, how long would the Missions probably be (Galaxy with its civilian and also bigger crew could probably stay out for far longer while being still psychologically healthy), do you really want to be stationed on the tactically more capable ship which is maybe more likely to be send into battle or dangerous areas or on the other hand go with a ship which is less likely to go to battle but also missing the small edge that would maybe ensure your survival, which is more comfortable to live on, which promises to be able to be refitted more and longer to the state of the art? All of those will come in handy if the main ship is disabled by a subspace rumple, or there's an ionic storm in a planet's upper atmosphere that the sensors/transporters/whatever can't get through. And in the dominion war the Enterprise was kind of sidelined for diplomatic missions. The Sovereign and the Galaxy are both continuations of the design lineage that includes the Ambassador, Excelsior, and Constitution. [–]van_buskirkCrewman 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago (3 children). Is it ever explained or implied why the Prophets would encourage Kai Opaka to permanently maroon herself on a Gamma penal colony? Same. More diplomatic facilities, crew facilities, research facilities, colonization support, combat, etc. [–]RedbirdBK 1 point2 points3 points 4 months ago (0 children). would it be more a burden or a blessing to be allowed to take civilians (like your wife and children) with you. Last time this Post was removed because my title wasn't right, i'm sorry for that. These variants are the two Galaxy-Uprated versions and Galaxy-Incomplete – each making changes to the spaceframe because of unforeseen threats. My impression is that the Galaxy would have more resources for any given situation (science labs, sensors, personnel, etc. At the time everyone thought it just meant the Admirals were keeping Picard out of the way of the Borg. The Galaxy X dreadnought again shows that a galaxy can indeed be highly modified and end up very combat capable. So Galaxy or Sovereign which is the Ambassador and which the Excelsior . The mission profile of a Federation ship is pretty diverse and it can take months if not years to traverse even just Federation space. These ranks are not meant for role-playing. Starfleet ships are warships, whether they admit to it or not. by Kor_Dahar_Master » Tue Nov 02, 2010 7:23 pm, Post The Sovereign Project attempted to push the envelope as far as possible when it came to computer power, shielding, armament and systems capabilities. Unless you envision missions that would really take advantage of the Galaxy-class ship’s vast usable space and crew support capabilities, I believe the Sovereign is more practical for most purposes. After their return to earth i decided to let an Admiral promote the commander to captain and give him (or more the group the rest of the Staff would go with him) the choice in between two prestigious and upgraded yet not new Ships. Most large ships in Star Trek are ridiculously huge relative to the size of their crew. Apr 4, 2014 - Galaxy, Sovereign, and Odyssey-class size comparisons. Since a ship will fly somewhere and do research there but you will always need just a certain amount of lab space. So the thought that the Galaxy is maybe more of an ambassador-class than an Excelsior and is actually not so well refit able as it should be is quiet reasonable. The sovereign a ship which came after the Voyager does not have those variable geometry pylons so its reasonable to assume that the sovereign manages to achieve the same or equal result without the need of physical parts. In Nemisis, Janeway says the E-E is the "closest ship. Ships aren't phones; they don't get incrementally better with each new passing year. At the end of Voyager, in the timeline created by Admiral Janeway, does the 7-year-old USS Voyager get turn into a museum like the 23-year old ship did in her timeline? Sovereign vs Galaxy battle threats exist enough out there. So was the Galaxy-class, no matter how much people try to deny it. In all honesty, after reviewing the linked to threads, I have yet to see anyone make any kind of meaningful case for a Galaxy being stronger than a Sovereign class starship. [–]cyberloki[S] 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago (0 children). And regardless, that's an entirely political distinction rather than a reflection of the ship's actual role. Between the Defiant in DS9 and the Enterprise E in the movies, the ship can take a hell of a beating without shields and it dramatically increases survivability. In 2367, Starfleet was exposed to the full force of the Borg in the Battle of Wolf 359. ... 28.80.html, http://www.stexcalibur.com/forum/index. Well but apart from that i agree with your statement. ", [–]surt2Chief Petty Officer 4 points5 points6 points 5 months ago (1 child). PICARD: The first ship I ever served aboard as Captain was called the Stargazer. Galaxy is way bigger. Between the Galaxy-Class and the Sovereign-Class, which do you think is the better ship from a multirole perspective if both are refitted to current technology in the best way possible? Sure you could have a science ship, and a combat ship, and a diplomatic ship, but given the vastness of space and the relatively slow speed of the engines your specialized ships would likely be out-of-range of most incidents. If both ships are refitted with the same tech standard the Galaxy and sovereign would have the same medical equipment onboard. Old girlfriends we'll never meet again. So i would guess the possibility to take your family with you is great for the psychologic health. I quiet like her and she is also way bigger than the Sovereign-Class again. The Sovereign is simply better equipped to handle Mass Casualty Events due to having a dedicated Triage Center built in. The galaxy class was slightly larger than the Sovereign class but it was built in the peaceful era prior to the Borg attack and the Dominion war, the Sovereign class was constructed with considerably better offensive and defensive systems and designed as a warship as well as a ship of exploration. Or a station around some planet. And with the Galaxy its the same she seems to be the better choice with sciences and sensors or to be longer away from any starbase but than again it seems unreasonable to me that the Galaxy could surpass the newer Sovereign-Class in so many ways just because of a major refit which both ships are supposed to have gotten. If you put battleship grade weapons on a ship, it's a warship no matter how many other amenities you put on board. That makes further upgrades unlikely or at least highly complicated and suggests indeed that the Sovereign can be longer kept to tech standards than the galaxy. What kind of relationship are you supposed to have if you only return every 3-5 or even 10 years home? Even with 20,000 ships (just a random number) Starfleet would need to have ships that could cover a great deal of distance and operate relatively independently for an extended period of time. While the Sovereign-Class is better suited for battle and diplomatic missions in which you want to project power. The point of putting a science lab on a starship is that the science needs to be done at a specific location. It can separate into two parts, but doing so leaves the saucer section a large, FTL-less target without its main reactor to power its shields or weapons and the stardrive section without its main battery or main computer. As airlines have found, two smaller planes like the 787 or A350 end up being much more useful than one A380 because of the extra flexibility that simply having two aircraft affords them. Well i see a second reason for the Sovereign being superior with its max warp as well as drive efficiency. Major removals only happen if there was a serious design issue (stability of the Atlanta-class cruisers in WW2 comes to mind as they were too top-heavy because of all the turrets). In Other Words the Galaxy-Classes Shuttlebays are way bigger than those of the Sovereign. A capital ship is by definition a multi-purpose ship. All that volume seems to allow for a great deal of versatility. by Mike DiCenso » Tue Nov 02, 2010 9:39 pm, Post The difference is that one was projecting power merely by showing up and saying hello and only sometimes firing its guns in anger, and the other was projecting power almost exclusively by firing its guns in anger. The Excelsior could fire quantums, so no reason to think the Galaxy could not. But it took a lot of upgrades, and likely was done only because Riker had a personal attachment to the ship. This is AMAZING! In Voyager we learn that the ship uses "variable geometry pylons" to manipulate the geometry of the warpfield so it doesn't damage subspace anymore. Backstage information was that at launch, the Galaxy was about a third empty... and during the Dominion War they were two-thirds empty. In Voyager we learn that the ship uses "variable geometry pylons" to manipulate the geometry of the warpfield so it doesn't damage subspace anymore. This deck also held the more recent modifications of an observation lounge, a ready roomfor the ship's captain, … Both ships were the face of the Federation, and there to project power. Picard is sort of just assigned to patrol the neutral zone in case the Romulans try to start something. I was going off the novels, because in the novel Greater Than Sum, the Sovereign class, besides the standard Sickbays has, a massive triage (not trauma center) center onboard that can receive well over 100 casualties at once, plus they can configure the Cargo Bays at once. He also looked back fondly on the Enterprise D in his dream with Data in “Remembrance”, not the Enterprise E. Of course, in "Relics" it was the Stargazer that he looked back fondly on. I think that the Sovereign class would also be better equipped to handle Mass Casualty Events compared to the Galaxy class thanks to the Dominion War and the extremely harsh lessons that it taught Starfleet. Given how the Galaxy could function in roles anywhere from a flying science lab/hotel in space (TNG) to a very capable battleship (DS9), it seems like a ship that could fill a number of roles. Even if that were not true, the Sovereign is only 7 years newer than the Galaxy, that's really quite microscopic in a universe where Miranda's are still flying around with Intrepid class ships and tech innovation takes place quite slowly. The Sovereign’s support craft facilities are excellent, with two large shuttlebays and a range of shuttles and multipurpose craft, even if not quite as extensive as those in the Galaxy’s main shuttlebay. the first of a series of incrementally upgrades “Heavy Cruiser” [...] compared to the Galaxy-Class, an Explorer. This is where I think the Sovereign's auxiliary craft make a big difference. Be in three places at once. The prototype USS Sovereign was finally launched in 2370, followed two years later by the USS Enterprise-E. Although smaller than Galaxy-class starships, this class of vessel is still a very versatile exploration vessel and is considered to be one of the most advanced class of ships in the Federation. Yes, while the Galaxy-class could be refit, so could the Sovereign. And in that i like your arguments and have to agree the Galaxy indeed seems to be the more versatile spaceframe. USS Thor USS Agamemnon - NPC USS Liverpool - NPC USS Colossus - NPC USS Canopus - NPC Starship Design Statistics. by Kor_Dahar_Master » Sat Oct 30, 2010 5:13 pm, Post nominate and vote on quality contributions. Voyager is basically twice as fast as a Galaxy Class ship. What happened after Voyager left? And sometimes they even go to war. In the Age of Sail it was the ship of the line. Extra space is only useful if you can make use of it on a regular basis. My guess is they manipulate the powerflow through the nacelles and by that change the warpfield geometry rendering a moving part (and structural weakness) obsolete. The Sovereign class was never intended to replace the Galaxy class. And i have to admit he is right in a way. Please don't just go for the tactical capabilities. The producers have actually muddied this up quite a bit for Starfleet with respect to what the value of each class actually is. (c) On ground combat support: The Galaxy has more room for troops and larger room for aircraft & shuttles. Iirc the galaxy has something like 3 times the volume of the sovereign; the equipment in those 1/3 filled galaxy class ships would have filled a sovereign class to the brim. And everything that could be researched just anywhere and permanently on the ship could also just as well be researched planetside at home. The Enterprise later faced the Borg during their incursio… Rendered by PID 31544 on r2-app-0fe192bbb2f678525 at 2021-03-17 16:29:00.456372+00:00 running f115b20 country code: US. The Sovereign is a result of the Borg and Dominon War and as such is a warship first much like the Defiant. I read a forum post somewhere that pointed out La Forges comment at the beginning of First Contact about their long shakedown cruise and “we’re ready” being an indication that the Enterprise-E might have had some frowning pains at launch. Anyway i really appreciate the detailed long answer with good and reasonable arguments. Odyssey , and U.S.S. Based on Starfleet's own rank system, you can select one of three divisions (Command, Operations, or Science) and earn pips as you move up in rank. https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Galaxy_class?file=Galaxy_class_MSD.jpg, https://www.cygnus-x1.net/links/lcars/blueprints/star-trek-the-next-generation-enterprise-sheet-5.jpg, https://www.cygnus-x1.net/links/lcars/blueprints/whitefire-enterprise-ncc-1701d/whitefire-enterprise-ncc-1701d-sheet-5.jpg, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAM2dEEulBk. But most other facilities the Galaxy indeed just has more space and so better and bigger facilities and tech on board. [–]techman007 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago (4 children). i see, may i ask what you think about the Odyssey-Class as Enterprise F? [–]cyberloki[S] 9 points10 points11 points 4 months ago (1 child). Had the Enterprise-E been another Galaxy-class, Picard still wouldn't have looked back fondly on it. But if that is true and the Geometry influences warpflight then it is also possible that subspace acts like some kind of medium similar like water or air which provides resistance against the movement. The premise of the questions assumes both ships are of the same tech, which means they would both have similar speeds (the Galaxy may even be faster since it has bigger engines and more room for power cores). So evasive maneuvers are up to discussion anyway as well as how much the smaller target profile of the sovereign. They'd had to wage war against the Klingons, fend off a second Borg attack, then fight an even bigger war against the Dominion. Aft… At the top of the saucer section was Deck 1, which housed the main bridge. But if they needed something a bit more capable, maybe Starfleet would turn to a modern fast, smart, efficient ship design that's proven to be capable of very long range operations. It's the ship where he first had to confront firsthand that Starfleet wasn't the pure and pristine organization that he'd believed it to be. In endgame Galaxy Class ships make up roughly 25-30 percent (7-8) of the anti-Borg combat fleet, which is said to be about 27 ships. Remember, capital ships operate for vast periods of time independently even with limited communication with fleet HQ. I think much of this is untrue. also, NCC-1701E is a Sovereign-class, not Galaxy. Rather, starships are designed to be upgraded with iterative improvements over time. ----- And here it is, the XI mod itself. The rank structure in Star Fleet is a reasonable extrapolation of the evolution of the Western military tradition. And that is also why i see the Galaxy-Class being refitted and used for that exact purpose. Even though the Galaxy Class is a relatively young class of Starship, Starfleet and the Advanced Starship Design Bureau were forced to devise three variants on the Galaxy space frame. As the Dominion War was over, you'd expect to find more capital ships hanging around Earth and other planets in the core of the Federation than in deep space. Shakespeare’s Hamlet is a comedy in Klingon culture, Garak never rejoined Tain; an examination of Garak’s true motivations in “Improbable Cause” and “The Die Is Cast.”. Faster and better suited for that kind of Mission. [–]cyberloki[S] 4 points5 points6 points 4 months ago (4 children). Sovereign = Faster so it can be there sooner and also has a large Sickbay complex so she can too help many but lesser at the same time as the Galaxy. A Super Star Destroyer variant measuring fifteen thousand meters long, the Sovereign-class was classified as a dreadnaught under the Anaxes War College system. But if that is true and the Geometry influences warpflight then it is also possible that subspace acts like some kind of medium similar like water or air which provides resistence against the movement. In every measurable sense, my Enterprise is far superior. But often they don't have that option (e.g. Picard was lamenting that galactic politics had forced Starfleet to commit pretty much all of its resources to war. while the Sovereign, being smaller, is faster both at warp and impulse, and has a much better range of auxiliary craft. [–]mtb8490210 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago (0 children). (e) Symmetrical Starship to Starship Combat: This is the category that commenters most often award the Sovereign the edge, but as I've pointed out above, it's not because the class lacks a proprietary feature like the Prometheus's multi-vector assault mode; it's because the Sovereign has more torpedo tubes. Thank you. A Galaxy-Class should be able to be refitted to even match the Sovereign weapons wise. With the shape of the Sovereign and the other ship classes such as the Prometheus and Akira, I would imagine it has something to do with shield cohesion. Assuming a growing Federation and a need for a ship to operate for years w/o fleet support that's hardly useless. But some ships can't be updated as well as others. by Praeothmin » Tue Nov 02, 2010 4:13 pm, Post She is better suited that the Sovereign-Class for such longterm exploration and scientific missions. The President ordered Starfleet to place a design proposal for a new class of starship with very much greater military capability than current designs. And no, it was not downgraded because Sovereign is a new breed of SF ships - with more emphasis on combat and less on diplomatic and scientific role(s). Galaxy-Class Starship The largest Starfleet vessel until the coming of the Sovereign- class , and its most-decked at 42. Sometimes (e.g. I do not believe the evidence supports that the Sovereign Class had the same mission as the Galaxy. As mentioned earlier in the film, the situation in Insurrection happened because of the Dominion War. So what if the more aerodynamic design which we get to see in most newer starship designs. Looking at some of the responses here, I'm a bit baffled, and I'll go into some detail why.
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